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Being Well Known with Marcus Bell

Marcus “Bellringer” Bell is an American music producer, songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, singer, social media influencer, activist and entrepreneur.

Having first participated with Influence Ecology in March of 2012, we interviewed him in Aug 2016 – and focused on deliberate practice – that “most people don’t and won’t practice”. His piano practice began at age 2 with his first record company by 12 years old.

In his lifetime he has marketed and promoted, produced, remixed and written for, mentored and developed some of the world’s biggest superstars and brands including Nicki Minaj, Katy Perry, Snoop Dogg, Timbaland, Sony Music, Warner Brothers, Arista Records, EMI and Universal Music. He has also created music for worldwide brands such as McDonald’s, General Mills, and Peter Diamandis. Bell has also written and produced chart-topping songs for artists in Turkey, Lebanon, India, Japan, Korea, and Europe.

Today, we talk about how to go from unknown to known – and what it means to be well known. After the break, we’ll listen in on a webinar where Co-Founder Kirkland Tibbels and I talk about our career identity and how some people may not truly understand how powerful this is.

Below you’ll find a transcript of this podcast episode that has been edited for your reading pleasure. You’ll also see links at the bottom of this post where you can find more information on the people and ideas mentioned in the episode.

by John Patterson
Produced by: John Patterson & Tyson Crandall

“The more I shared my value of help, the more opportunities open up, the more money I made, the more related I became to other people of influence, et cetera, so actually holding back your life actually is a disservice for whatever that aim is that you have to help people. If anything, you want to turn that light into a high beam.”

Marcus Bell: Thanks for having me, John always good to be in conversation with you and 2012 is when I first started taking courses with Influence Ecology, so seven years later, wow, a lot definitely has changed in my life over the past seven years and certainly over the past three years, so it’s good to be here with you.

John Patterson: Yeah, absolutely. It’s always a pleasure to spend time with you. Unfortunately, people can’t see us. We’re seeing each other on video and I always got a big smile on my face when I speak with you. There’s so much that we could contribute to people on this session and I know one of the through lines for all that you do is a commitment that you use your own specialized knowledge to help people, to contribute to people in some way. There are a few endeavors that you’ve created in order to help people and I’d love for you to just tell us about those, especially if they’re things we don’t yet know about or perhaps things that have happened in the last three years.

Marcus: Sure. Inside of the last three years I’ve started a new company designed actually to help people go from unknown to known and so inside of that, the name of the company is Audience Academy. About three years ago, maybe over three years now, I partnered with a recording artist who happens to be a data scientist and internet prodigy and we joined forces together and combined our specialized knowledge in social media to help people elevate from success to significance and so it’s a program that we created that allows people to reach large audiences.

One of the things that I’ve learned in training over the years is to seek help… as much help as possible to forward things and before three years ago, I was doing a lot of one on one coaching with celebrities, one-on-ones with developing artists, developing influencers and so when I met Shelita, that’s my partner’s name, Shelita Burke, I recognized wow, this is an opportunity with her specialized knowledge and my specialized knowledge to really make a bigger impact and so now that network of influencers that have participated in our programs has reached over 4 billion impressions last month.

John: Jesus.

Marcus: 4 billion.

John: Wow.

Marcus: Some of the participants have gone from just starting to having audiences of over 500,000 followers across platforms, hundreds of millions of people seeing their messages of empowerment or help and so it’s been quite a three year journey and being able to express that part of myself because I’ve been acquainted to visibility and notoriety my entire life and so to be able to share that with others who really want to make a difference for humanity has just met so many of my aims and goals like that.

John: That’s great. Well, first personally congratulations. Really congratulations and good work. I know that you’re committed to that more than anything else and it drives a great deal of what you do and as last time we talked, we talked a little bit about your mother, quite an influencer herself in her day and in her time, I think that the apple didn’t fall too far from the tree on that one and you have in all that I’ve ever seen that you do, being committed people can harness their talents and share them with the world. It’s a fantastic thing to watch.

Marcus: Yeah, I definitely get it from my mama and she passed away back in September and so I’ve been looking at how to have her legacy live as an example for other people who want to make impact as well and so it’s been a discovery as I’ve discovered letters from Martin Luther King Jr’s family to her in newspaper articles with her and Arthur Ashe, Williams and Ashe and how they broke through whites-only tennis tournaments back in the ’60s and her civil rights activism and so I am a living legacy of my mother actually.

John: Fantastic. You want to say your mother’s name?

Marcus: Her name is Carolyn Bell and she was a national tennis champion and she was Carolyn Williams at the time and she played in the US Open.

John: That’s great. I think what would be useful is to let our audience know a little bit about where you are now. There are some of what you’ve already talked about in terms of your accomplishments, the work that you’ve done with Shelita Burke. I’ve remembered a few conversations that you and I have had or where I’ve listened to you on some of our own program calls where I’ve heard some of the accomplishments with Shelita with some of the work, in fact, some of her own music, some of the other accomplishments in social media. I’d also love to hear just a little bit about the book because you’ve written a number one book. Tell us a little bit about those kind of accomplishments and then I think I want to take this in another direction after we’re done with that.

Marcus: Okay, sure. I have been at work on creating a book or it’s probably been seven years that I’ve been actually at work on creating a book that would be an all-encompassing artist development book and so two years ago, and I’ve been writing the book with my mother and so we would talk every week and really examine what it takes to be a successful recording artist in the world and so the book that got released is actually a small piece of one chapter in that larger book and so the name of the book is the Bellringer Branding Bible.

It is the collaboration of me and my mother and that chapter is around basically creating identity in the marketplace for recording artists and it ended up being number one in three categories in Amazon. It was so exciting to be able to share that accomplishment with my mother before she passed.

John: That’s fantastic.

Marcus: Yeah. Around the time that the book came out actually was the time… so there was a missing of Cardi B inside of that book and that was right around the time that she first got released into the marketplace. I had been tracking her activity before the book came out, so as the book started to happen on the charts, so it was Cardi B who I at the last minute put her in the book and then with Shelita, I also mentioned her in the book, she was one of the first artists to… well, the only artist actually to create a blockchain and I’m the first producer to have a block chain in the world of blockchain technology.

The song that we had released, the EAP we released charted in billboard. That was another accomplishment that has happened since our last podcast and it’s been quite a journey over the past three years on both my family side as well as my professional side and all these other conditions of life as life happens and as I continue to grow and develop as a human being and experience the fullness of being alive and being ambitious about living a fulfilling life.

John: Fantastic. What did you learn over these last three years with… I imagine that you learned a great deal from Shelita Burke, by the way genius, very, very gifted woman, but what have you learned over these last three years about that kind of growth and influence and the tension and what are some things to share about that?

Marcus: Well, before I had really been focused on being in the background and supporting others and becoming famous and known and visible and I’ve been ebbing and flowing in and out of the spotlight or front stage and backstage my entire life and so what I decided over the past year, basically as a result of my mother’s passing, she was an example of someone that was in the foreground as a national tennis champion and she got a lot of press and she moved to the background and basically wasn’t interested in being known.

She was more interested in the groundwork of the kind of social justice activities that she was doing. When she passed there’s that legacy where now I’m holding with inside of one hand my own career and identity and then in the other hand I’m holding the legacy of my mother who the world will know about as a result of some of the activities that I’m going to take on and honors her legacy. I recognize that if you have value to offer people just as you can one on one with someone, you can do one to millions.

John: Yes.

Marcus: I can be more help for people the more visible that I allow myself to be. I can’t say the amount of interviews that I’ve declined and opportunities that I’ve turned down for visibility and so now I recognize that I can be more help the more people can be able to access what I have to offer. It’s not for fame’s sake, I’m not really interested in that. It’s for… I really truly love human beings and people and I really want to have my life to be in service of helping massive amounts of people that want to have meaning in their lives and over the years I’ve spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on my own personal development and I’ve seen a lot of the world and experienced all different types of things from grief and going through situations with the foster care system and I’ve experienced a lot of different things that I can offer help as people go through their own personal journeys and so I’m going to be speaking more about those kinds of things and share more of my life with people and like that.

John: That’s great. I just did an interview with someone else we were having a conversation and I think you and I might be able to bring something to the forefront to make something more clear, but she was concerned for being in the foreground and preferred being in the background and considered herself an aspect of a whole transaction or a whole situation.

I agree. I have typically come from being for something, being for some transactions, some endeavor, some initiatives, some movement if you will and this last year in 2018, Influence Ecology launched the career expedition and we started to talk about our knownness, our being known and not just being known as in, oh I know him, I know her, but being known for some kind of help, being known for the value of our help and I myself have experienced moving much more into the foreground in my city, in my neighborhood, in my community, in my family.

There’s an experience of moving to the foreground relating to myself not as me, I could care less. Again, not about the fame, not about the ego, but more about, oh, I represent something. I represent a kind of help, something for people, something like that Marcus and I can see that that resonates with you and I just want to hear your comments about that.

Marcus: Sure. Well a lot of people have something about being known, have something about celebrity and fame, that it’s difficult that you have to have a bodyguard if you get too big and if you’re from a southern African American family like the one that I came from there’s a, don’t put yourself out there too much because you know other… jealousies or you know you want to stay as humble as possible and all those types of things and actually I have to unlearn some of those conversations because the more I shared my value of help, the more opportunities open up, the more money I made, the more related I became to other people’s influence, et cetera.

Actually holding back your light actually is a disservice for whatever that aim is that you have to help people. If anything, you want to turn that light into a high beam and have that high beam project the value that you are of help kind of like the… if you think of the superhero characters like Batman, you know how do you, yeah, exactly, that you want to have a bat signals for the help that you are and you never know what that’s going to look like.

Are you going to be that person that is going to need a body guard, probably not. Probably the… if you’re really known in your community, if you’re really known in your state, if you’re really known nationally, people mostly are generous about allowing you your privacy.

John: Yeah.

Marcus: Yeah. I was walking out of a coffee shop and Dave Chappelle was in a coffee shop just sitting outside and I grabbed the coffee and I walked out of the shop and I saw Dave there with some… a couple of his friends and so forth and I acknowledged him, he acknowledged me back and I got into the car and I said, “You know what? I’m going to stay here for a second. I want to see how the environment is responding to Dave.” And I just hang out for about five minutes and watched people do double takes and no one went over and interrupted him with his friends. Everyone well past… respected, here’s another human being just being with friends and so-

John: I have the same thing.

Marcus: Yeah.

John: Yeah. I have a… In Ojai, California where I live, we have… it’s so terrible, I can’t remember his name, Jason something from How I Met Your Mother, the television show, How I Met Your Mother and he’s a local here and I see him quite frequently walking around the street, sitting down having a beer, going to the cafe to have a coffee and mostly just people are gracious with him, let him have his space, people will say hey Jason but he literally enjoys very kind of normal private life as a quite known celebrity in this town and it’s been that way for many people as well. Yeah. It’s great.

Marcus: Yes, so there’s that kind of celebrity and there’s the kind of celebrity where you can’t walk through the mall, but most people aren’t going to experience that and so that’s part of the work that I do in helping others with their visibility is to work through those types of misconceptions and myths.

John: It’s really good. I’m wondering about… I both mentioned being known for its own sake like fame or people might know me but unless they know me for my help, right, unless they know me for what I bring, what I contribute, there’s a difference, right, in the work that you do with people, do you address in some way being known for your help, for your talent or your skill versus fame, and if so can you say something about that?

Marcus: Absolutely. One of the biggest parts of what I do with people is really to unearth what that value is because it may not be obvious what that value of help that someone may be.

John: Do you have an example?

Marcus: For example, there will be an artist that believes, oh well people are coming to my page because of the photos that I put out there, right, but in actuality it is the authentic way that they are being in social media and sharing their journey and their struggles that actually is drawing people and so as they show their own transformation in social media or in their lives that that is the thing that is attracting people not necessarily just the pretty picture or the nice voice.

John: Yes.

Marcus: And so part of the discovery is… discovering will actually… what is it that you are help for? Because if you are thinking that it’s your voice that is the help and is actually your sharing who you are as a human being, that is the help then gosh, that informs a different type of activity, that informs a different way of looking at how you talk about your life.

John: The work that you do…. Do you find that, I’m just reflecting on many of the people that I’ve connected with as celebrities over the years whether or not they sing or songwriters, actors and so forth. I often do connect with those somehow on a personal level as if I identify with them or it may not be their talent per se but they let me in in some way, maybe in the way that they just really… when they sing they’re just saying, this is me I’m sharing myself and you connect with it as opposed to somebody who’s trying to do a performance for example.

Marcus: Yes.

John: Is that what you mean and is there anything else to say about that?

Marcus: Yeah, that’s exactly what I mean. The more open an artist is, the more it connects to the humanity of another person and I would assert that the more open we are as human beings, the more we connect with other human beings so it’s not just the artist that they may be visible and then you can see it is on “blast” because it is on television or is… millions of people are seeing that openness but I would assert that if you’re in a small community or if you’re in your family and you open yourself up to allow your full expression, that it will connect with the other person that’s observing that in a heart feel way and so whether you’re a CEO of the company and you’re being authentic with your employees about some struggle with a decision that you may have that actually offers a demonstration of courage to express that vulnerability.

We as human beings we connect to vulnerability because if someone’s able to express one ability opens up the space for us to be human and not have a facade or play a role that we’re not in that way. It’s good to have our hearts broken. It’s good for me to have my heart broken because it allows me to access something deeper inside myself and connect with my own humanity and be able to appreciate something else about another person and if we’re operating from that space, oh my gosh, what’s possible for the world if people allow themselves to be vulnerable.

John: Beautifully said. Sounds like a great recipe for success for an artist, a businessman, a family man, a family person, you know, any of that. It’s really great and these lessons, some of the things that culminated in your early life with your mom, was this some of her teaching or something you discovered on your own?

Marcus: This is something that I discovered on my own and through a lot of study of human behavior and social psychology, and psychology and a lot of self discovery and journaling and digging for what value I have to offer as a human being, as an artist, as a producer, as someone that helps other people is… come’s from a lot of failure, a lot of not having interactions go right and what was missing and seeing, well what was missing in that? Oh what was missing is that… and that is they are me and they don’t know that they’re me because I didn’t open my mouth and share how much I really can empathize because I’ve experienced that as well.

John: In this, where are they now, one of the things I’d like to ask about is your participation here. You’ve been participating for seven years. Just really is funny to me to think it’s been that long or that short I don’t know which, but for anybody listening, why that length of time, why are you participating? I mean, aren’t you done yet? Aren’t you cooked yet? Why are you still participating here, that kind of thing. I’d just love to hear what you have to say about it.

Marcus: Sure. I really enjoy the community that Influence Ecology is. When I was going through the hospice situation with my mother last year, the amount of help that was available inside of the community from talking to a neuroscientist to… administered us in the community to people that are working on legacy or like the type of conversations that were available just because they are expert in a particular area and they make themselves known to be of help and so when I needed the help I was able to reach out and it helped me really with my thinking around working through my mother’s death and all of that.

Inside of me there is this desire to have the type of consistency inside of my studying and practicing and experiencing and so when it comes to like the music industry for example, I call myself a lifer. I’ve been doing it my entire life and I love what I do. I’m going to be doing it probably until like, I physically can’t do it and if I can’t physically do it by then I’ll be able to use my mind and still do it.

John: That’s right.

Marcus: And then when I lose my mind… There’ll be an AI version of Marcus Bellringer Bell that will be able to make those decisions based on all the decisions that I’ve made thus far in my life. Once I join a community and I see that I continue to get value and I’m still able to contribute value, I like to stay in community, it becomes home for me and the participants inside of Influence Ecology have actually, has become family.

John: Yeah, me too.

Marcus: It’s become a family and so whenever you have an extended period of time with people with rigorous study and people who’re going for their aims and people are experiencing life through all of that you just develop a bond, so I’m bonded with you all in and now I’m looking forward to participating on the board to help make this available for more people like that.

John: Yeah, with the institute for transactional philosophy, we haven’t addressed that on any podcast, so this is the first mention of it, but yeah, you’re on the board for the institute for transactional philosophy and that’s going to be an institute dedicated to the research of the philosophy that is the foundation for all that we teach. I look forward to that meeting and for the work that we’re going to be doing over the coming year or years.

Marcus: Yeah, absolutely, and the other part is, I’m a little bit of a geek, so I like studying philosophy and human behavior and personality in transactional behavior and all of the things that have been developed and are developing and emerging out of how the trainings are growing and I’m applying all that I see fit to apply inside of the music industry and the way I’ve been developing the companies that I’ve created as well.

John: Great. All right, Well Marcus Bell and maybe we’ll do a, where are they now in another three years or 10 years or something like that. I don’t think this is the last time to have you on the podcast, but thank you so very much for being with us today. It’s been a pleasure. Absolute pleasure and I wanted to find out if there’s anything else that you wanted to say or anything else that we should know before we exit today.

Marcus: I just want to say to whoever’s listening, wherever you are, wherever you are in the world, wherever you are in your life, really allow yourself to be known, vulnerable and become visible for the help that you are for other people.

John: Great.

Marcus: Uplift humanity.



John Patterson: What would it mean to be well known in the industry, organization or ecologies where you currently transact? What would your transactions produce if the people with whom you transact were seeking your attention and competing to do business with you rather than the other way around? Here’s the talk.

John Patterson: What I do is I’m going to give you the floor to talk a little bit about each of these so we can address these different conditions of your identity, the different states of being known or your knownness and in specific ecologies. Yeah, please.

Kirkland Tibbels: Yeah, so we just simply took a look at… with some research and study, we just took a look at what are the levels of knownness, how are we known and especially as we enter into a particular discourse industry or so forth, we often find that we’re simply unknown and it’s valuable to recognize that we carry no identity of value and help. Now you may have some recognition and something to keep in mind, I can tell you in my Toastmasters organization, there are some people who they have recognition, they have some celebrity, but if you ask what value that they bring, it would be difficult to articulate that and that’s what we find a lot of times in organizations where people can’t quite understand why the company doesn’t value them. They don’t recognize them in terms of something specific. They have no identity of value, help or harm and we’ll talk about harm in just a little bit.

The second area is somewhat known, so there is some knownness so that a majority of the people in that ecology may have some idea from other narratives or some carried narrative that you bring some value and that’s important to begin to recognize and that’s an area to start to become somewhat known in a particular ecology it’s a place to start and to be known in my mind as being low cost and of high value is the narrative to produce. It’s the activity produce, so you show up, you’re valuable and you’re low cost.

That is where you start to become known. A majority of the people in that ecology know you, they’ve heard of you, they recognize you as someone who is of value. That means you’re helpful and it’s specific as possible. They know to come to you for a specific kind of help or they don’t want to lose your help, it would do some harm if they did.

Now being well known is a category that takes a little extra. We like to call ambition and well known is an identity that goes with a kind of character. It’s an identity as a representation of your ethics, of the kind of power that you bring to a particular organization. People who are well known in one category are often invited to or one company or one organization or industry or one discourse are often invited to participate in others and invitations and offers expand the better and well known you are in one particular ecology, but notice that we’re aiming toward a kind of concentration and focus. That’s part of the how to we’ll get to in a minute.

Being well known as an identity of value and help, it really starts to weave in to sort of the DNA and the character that you are bringing to a particular discourse or transaction and then it’s followed that that begins to be almost part and parcel of who you are, that the next step in being well known is being so well known that you’re actually celebrated in that particular discourse. You’re known in a particular way.

Now it could be that you’re notorious, we’ve covered that in our other lectures, but in this case we’re talking about what it would mean to have an identity that is so associated with the constitutive aspect of that industry or that particular athletic endeavor or that particular philosophy which is certainly the aim and the legacy I hope to produce is to be so intertwined that it’s almost woven into what it is that it’s given by the embodiment and representation of what you produce as an enterprise, as a philosophy or even as a person and so the category there moves way beyond and be just simply known as but it becomes constitutive of the thing itself, so nobody gets there without being well known and that’s the category that we’re looking to produce here.

John: We want to take a second also and make sure that we bring some clarity to the identity of value, help or harm. We’ve used that particular phrase in most of those definitions of knownness, so there’s something to understand about these things. Value is simply the comparative worth of your resources. There are people who offer very, very valuable resources and other people who don’t.

For example, I tend to look at things and you tend to look at things with it a comparative eye, with a, well that seems to be more valuable than this. That seems to be more useful than that. She seems to be more valuable here, he seems to be less valuable there. We tend to approach value from a comparative set of lenses and so value for the first part is a comparative kind of worth of those resources, whether or not they’re human resources, tangible or intangible resources.

Secondly, help by that we simply mean the offer of your resources or the offer of your solutions to specific breakdowns. One of the things that I do recently is I was attempting to make a move into a particular group of people. I located the person that I thought was the center of influence in this group of people and I wrote an email to talk about the specific help I could be to a breakdown I knew they had, and rather than sort through meeting the people in this general ecology over the course of a year, 90 seconds later I was invited to a lunch and now part of a rather important committee that moved me rather quickly because I offered help. I offered a very specific solution of help to breakdown.

Kirkland: Well, that piece right there is something that we teach again in our most fundamental program, our fundamentals of transaction program that, one of the things that in a general discourse it seems like the right move to make is to simply say, “How can I help you or how can I be of help?” Now that’s better than nothing. Okay, I’ll take that if that’s all you got, but I want you to think about where the cost ends up in an offer of help like that.

If you come to me and say, “Hey Kirkland, how can I help you?” Then all of the costs and the effort and the energy is over here with me to assess all the things that I have to assess about you and your offer and your resources. All the work is on me now to think and to assess and to inquire accurately about what resources that you have and I’ll be doing my best guesswork without doing another set of inquiry to say, how can you help?

The most powerful offer of help you could make is exactly how John demonstrated it and that is a specific offer of help with the resources you have available. Hey Kirkland, it looks like you’re struggling with that heavy box. I’m actually a heavy box expert, can I help with that box? It’s a specific offer of help and by the way, if you ever see me struggling with a heavy box, the answer’s yes come help me with a heavy boss. That’s a specific offer in a particular transaction and that’s what carries value and that produces a particular kind of identity. Again, low cost offer of help and value in an area that is of concern to a specific group of people or as we say, a specific ecology.

John: I’m thinking about, we lead a global conference, I’m standing up in front of a room of a bunch of people from around the world and I’ve got to train the people that work with me to take care of me during the conference. Now you can imagine if one of those people walks up to me and says, “Hey, can I get you anything?” Or one of those people knows to walk up to me at specific points and say, could I get you a glass of water? Very, very different. Very different. I can say yes or no to that one. As soon as they say, “Can I get you anything?” I got to now sort out what might I need and do I need anything right now? Am I get… all that kind of stuff? It makes all the difference in the world.

All right, well I’m going to do one other piece here so we set an identity of value, help or harm, but the other thing about harm and the way that we use this and the way that we mean it is simply that if I will move my help, it produces a threat. That’s the way to think about it. I certainly don’t want to go around the world harming people, but one of the ways that I know that I’m valuable, that I know that my help is highly regarded where I know my resources are worth a great deal is that if I were to remove them, people would say now hold on a second. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. No, no, no we need you.

The removal of your help produces threat, that’s what we mean by that and we find sometimes, I love this when we work with people who work with customers or we lead in particular topic on this piece. We’ll say something like, “Hey, if you removed your help, would anybody care?” And it’s a real, gosh, it’s sometimes sad to watch, Kirkland people go, God, if I removed my help I don’t think anybody would notice.

Kirkland: Yeah. That’s what we find in people who do our programs at mid-level management or above that sometimes the toughest part of the assessment process of their current standing in a transaction is to come face to face with the fact that they’re not all that after all, that the kind of identity that they’re producing doesn’t match the identity they have in their own mind about a particular kind of transaction.



John Patterson: My special thanks to our guests, Marcus Bell. In our show notes you’ll find links to connect with him and all the links to websites, books for downloads mentioned in this podcast.

The Influence Ecology Podcast is produced by Influence Ecology, LLC in Ventura, California. This episode was recorded May 23rd, 2019 and was produced by Tyson Crandall and John Patterson. You can find a transcript for this and other episodes at InfluenceEcology.com. This episode is made possible through the assistance of the Influence Ecology Faculty, Staff, Mentors, and Students around the world. Co-founder Kirkland Tibbels and our colleagues comprise an international collective of professionals who are active in the development of the philosophy of Transactionalism and the discipline of Transactional Competence. Kirkland is considered a leading philosopher and authority in the field and he has authored more than 500 papers on the subject, study, and discipline.

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